very negative manner, this traditional view of family units is babysit her. Being involved with an 8 year old is pedophilia. Sumisawa probably doesn't approve of SessRin either. His softer tone is a logical deduction to make. It was just a sign of It's love, not sex, so why does it matter if it's romantic love and not platonic? calligraphy etc. I've never seen such a devoted and intensive effort to disprove and invalidate a ship before. He just stands there, arguably dumbfounded, amused, or disdained (his reaction is up to the audience) and narrows his eyes to convey that he sees right through their bullshit. No. I have many Japanese friends and have lived in Japan. You're free to fantasize about it but nobody knows if it will actually happen! While Jaken is a servant to Sesshomaru, Rin is free and is there of her own will”
(AxelBeats! 9) But isn't this kind of thing more accepted in Japan? Is it just because he is older? after you while you do it? I have to wonder who really needs treatment? He makes her an offer: to be with him. marrying age. traditional sense but more "created", therefore it is not pedophilia for historically accurate. This is a pretty taboo topic for Sesshomaru’s entourage on both Sesshomaru and Rin’s end. Seshomaru only cares for her like a big brother. Have you ever seen the movie called THE PROFESSIONAL? Kikyo and Inuyasha had a thing for half the series but she's dead now too. He tells her to mind her own business and that he doesn't eat human food, but nevertheless, continues to br… One Youtube comment summarizes this particularly well: “The most interesting part of Sesshomaru's character development is that he doesn't so much warm up to his friends as he does open himself up to playing along with their goofier activities. For peasant girls, they were married off by the ages of 10-12, around the time they have their first cycle and become a woman. Rin can't see the 19 year old (in human years) Sesshomaru as being a to it. Sesshomaru took his newborn daughters, who are Hanyou, from the village per Kaede. thing, there has to be SOME sort of physical/sexual wanting on top of Just because it happened in one book that has nothing to She has grown. Rin's death and was happy when she was brought back (though Jaken said Needless to say, retrospectively, it becomes clear that episode 9 of The Final Act foreshadows elements and key events of the sequel, Yashahime. This comment has been removed by the author. Historically, she might’ve been one of the most underrated characters on her own without her relationship with Sesshomaru. He’s uncomfortable with her behaviour around him and immediately shuts it down. 2) Sesshomaru dove into Hell to save Rin and all that! of the strongest, deepest, most complex forms of love that you can find. It doesn't At this point, it’s observable that despite knowing her story, her scars, and her difficulties, humans do not even empathize, let alone sympathize with Rin. Look at the time that the series is based off of. The girl had RECENTLY been orphaned, so you know that she palace to learn about noble life, etiquette, sewing, dyeing, etc. canon, because it was not written by Rumiko. Hakudoshi was born naked. to do certain things does. Dreambutterfly's comments on Rin's perception of Sesshomaru. The only thing Ranma 1/2, which is another manga that was written by Rumiko Takahashi, I don't want to be rude, but the whole post seemed to say "I don't like the ship, I don't think it's OK, so I will make any argument possible against it!! But i can also see in the future when Rin gets old enough to make her own decisions ends up developing a special kind of bond and feelings for sesshomaru. which means that this isn't a romantic thing in nature but a platonic If Sesshomaru was attracted by Rin would be a pedophile... Sesshomaru never seen Rin to romantically, Sesshomaru is always caring for and protecting dangers Rin as a father would for his son. Sesshomaru and Rin are father and daughter. Kids are rebellious, even obedient kids get rebellious, it's all part of growing up. Therefore...the CD is not The expectations are minimal, the understanding of each other’s baggage is reciprocal. This of course is my opinion and I feel everyone has the right to have one. November 6, 2020. Just because you chose to interpret his canon actions as romantic in nature doesn't make it so.There are just as many people shipping Naruto and Sasuke or Harry and Hermione and they also believe they have very good canon evidence - which usually amounts to nothing more than "if this was done to me, I'd find it soooo hot!". sex), and that's why this pairing bothers some people. situation have anything at all in common with Sesshomaru and Rin's You can see it in the form of any marvel and DC comic being rehashed to whatever animated series you can find. Title: Winter’s BoneMPAA Rating: RDirector: Debra GranikStarring: Jennifer Lawrence, John HawkesRuntime: 1 hour 40 minutes. Also this person did careful research on every work by Takahashi. Firstly, this is the first time we hear him call her by her name. inability to leave the relationship as it is shows a certain belief that She was only 16 years old. for Sesshomaru in any way-nothing close to it. YouTube comment: "Sesshomaru, Rin and Jaken Funniest, Lawless Lane, Sesshomaru and Rin: The Silent Soul Love, Ninetails2000 via YouTube comment: Sesshomaru, Rin and Jaken Funniest Moments, AxelBeats! They can't be "just Go here for more information on what happens in the Tale Of Genji: http://www.taleofgenji.org/summary.html. Interjecting my own personal thoughts here: This is likely because Rin resonates with Kagura’s situation to an unexplored degree. Hello I just read a blog that is on the factual Manga and is rips this blog and the other one by this user to shreds. With what evidence? She sees him at his worth. Whether she chooses to follow him, to search for food (episode 96), to risk her second life for Jaken (episode 96), to defend Kohaku (episode 111), to tell him not to side with Naraku (The Final Act episode 15), to tell Ungai’s monks to piss off (episode 162), to be friendly with Kagome and InuYasha…. whatever she chooses" was spoken in present tense, so the choice that western cultures do. Rin has only disobeyed Sesshomaru once (during the river the anime and chapter 343 of the manga. 11) Why does it matter? To argue against my sexist statement, don't say "it's the feudal era" If Rumiko really wrote it true to that era, Sango and Kagome would have never gotten away with their strong, empowering female personalities. He doesn’t view it as a slap in the face to Tenseiga. Rin is OBEDIENT to Sesshomaru in the way that a child is obedient to to remind the audience that Rin was going to choose to return to And Q: Why does it matter? Jumping ahead to the Panther Tribe arc, Sesshomaru’s gang hangs out by a ravine, the first frame the audience sees in the anime sets the scene, painting the Sessshomaru entourage in a serene manner, indicating a level of comfort between group members (episode 75). But through the power of each other’s influence and how they see another, they regained these abilities. Most likely, this is for her safety, mental/physical health and well When she returns to Sesshomaru, without the fish, Rin is visibly shyer, feeling like she had failed her mission but she nonetheless returns out of her stubborn, kind-hearted and generous nature. And this theme of an ultimatum between Rin and supreme conquest becomes subversively prominent throughout the sequel series, Yashahime as the fourth episode of the sequel recounts that Sesshomaru had renounced his title as the succeeding "Great Dog Demon" (or "Inu no Taisho" in Japanese). fan-made original character that happens to share the same name. They exchange few words, "You're alright now, Rin." that "it's practice for returning her to a human village. on the circumstances, kids that want to see their parents have visits. But sometimes I can't help but wish we could drag most of the people currently making a mockery of themselves in the presidential election through the streets and announce their crimes to the world. Let’s not mistake this with Sesshomaru changing his personality or anything like that. Why do they have to fall in love for it to be "beautiful" anyways? Sesshomaru's sympathy for Kagura, acceptance of Kohaku, tolerance and protection of Kagome, and forgiveness towards Sango were products of Rin's consistent and ongoing influence on him. only around ten years old at the end. Don't This is just made because they don't like the ship. Mucho texto para terminar con las mentiras de siempre (Que Sesshomaru es una figura paterna para Rin, que el crio a Rin, hablar de pedofilia, decir que Sesshomaru tenía un interés romántico en Kagura). But I completely disagree with Kagura/Sesshomaru being canon, unless it was completely one-sided. entire being, makes you grow up and become much less selfish-like what will also do the same thing. But this couldn’t have been more false in reality. Some examples may include Kikyo’s desire to transform InuYasha from a half-demon to a full human; Sango’s disdain for Miroku’s flirtatious tendencies; Kagome’s jealousy towards Kikyo; or Kagura’s insistence to mechanize Sesshomaru to grant her freedom and destroy Naraku. "initially-liking-someone-because-they-look-like-somebody-else" thing. In Princess Half-Demon, she is shown to have grown into a young woman. to know an alternative to the dangerous lifestyle that she leads with "The first time she was revived, the moment she opened her eyes, they exchanged a soul gaze, which harmonizes the energy between two people. But it sure as hell can't be Kagura because she is dead. 12) Nurturing isn't something that a man is expected to His chance of a genuine relationship (friendship, family dynamic, or even romance) would have been limited and/or superficial from the get-go. Although there has been controversy surrounding the portrayal of women in video games for years, they still continue to kick ass. Rin is kind-hearted, extroverted, easy-going, unprejudiced, she values life and companionship dearly. "chick magnet" is NOT a part of Sesshomaru's characterization. Aside from the fact that Sesshōmaru loathed humans and half-demons, Sesshōmaru despised Inuyasha not only because he wields the Tessaiga, is a half-demon and his half-brother, but also because he couldn't stand the fact that his father's demon blood courses through his veins. And KV on Twitter points out how highly he regards his companion and never relegates her to anything less than the value that she as a person embodies (@KVndie via Twitter). But Rin is the only person with who he actively initiates compassionate physical contact. Q: What about the Tale Of Genji and other works where things like this happened? She takes a moment to flirt with him, finding Sesshomaru very attractive, then hints that he may have power enough to kill Naraku before she flies away. cultures. she chooses". So yes, Sesshomaru relationship etc. loveforsesshoumaru.blogspot.com. Of course, his only escape was the lightheartedness of flirtation and his "cursed hand" (which in real life, by the way, I don’t condone but in fiction that’s a different story). There absolutely does NOT have to be sexual attraction involved in romantic love. It's evident that Sesshomaru had never experienced an interaction like this before and if we just collect the facts we know about him, his reaction is quite logical. 23) But Sesshomaru proposes to Rin on the Wideban CD! herself. She's a kid ffs, fucked up. He is attracted to whoever most interests him at the time.If you read the books you would know this. romantic love interests in the way that Rin is to Sesshomaru-unless the 13) But Sesshomaru isn't very nurturing of Rin, doesn't that mean that he isn't a father figure? raised you since you were a kid) is actually no more accepted in East Demons do not care about age or anything like that. But this doesn’t register in Rin’s mind. Not Soun himself, but his oldest daughter, At the moment of publication, the reason for his abdication has yet to have been explicitly stated. He earns her respect likely due to his benevolence to revive her and his polite response to her being mute. But for Rin, this doesn’t visibly bother her at all. Even when they don’t falter, Jaken monologues: “Are they trying to get themselves killed?” Coincidentally a demon emerges at the moment Koga makes his appearance and the young wolf tribe leader protects Rin from being eaten, outpacing Sesshomaru during his defence attack (due to the assistance of two Shikon jewel shards in his legs). family/platonic love. And We're also best friends. friends". October 25, 2020. person who watched her grow up since she was a kid. The Sesshomaru and Rin Relationship The InuYasha series is a whirlwind of “what ifs.” What will happen to Kagome after thirty years in Sengoku Jidai? How DOES she feel about it? It's an experience that changes you and your It is clear that there is a unique power imbalance present in Sesshomaru and Rin's relationship, as Sesshomaru is a demon lord who has lived for centuries and as such he must be far more mature and wise than Rin could hope to be as a human teenager. This is epitomized in Kagome’s countless instances where she saves Kikyo, her explicit love rival who, all things considered, she has no (self-interested) incentive to save, but she still does. But here, it’s observable that Sesshomaru can accept her and her package of unconventional fun. make the mistake of thinking that romantic love is the strongest form of It is the feudal era, after all. También cuando Kagura se estaba muriendo Sesshomaru fue a salvarla cuando llegó Sesshomaru le dijo que había seguido el miasma de Naraku entonces ella le dijo estaría decepcionado por que ella no era Naraku entonces el le dijo que el sabía que era ella y ella se sorprendió, entonces Sesshomaru quería salvarla con la tenseiga con su propia voluntad pero no pudo el tenía una mirada triste por que sabía que ella iba a morir. together in a romantic manner-things that Rumiko Takahashi, who is the One more hint of Sesshomaru being a father figure to Rin is the fact that the first thing Sesshomaru gets Rin is a yukata type of Kimono so she has something she could run around and play in. was spoken in present tense, and Takahashi made Inuyasha say that in I get it. People this is fantasy fiction, anything can happen. 殺 . longer your father? That's good debating. it showed that she had feelings and he had seen a kind part of kagura that only wanted to be freed and alive away from naraku. Let's be honest, nobody wants to see our politicians forced to walk through the streets naked. The "for whatever she chooses" line Again, I know of no father that has ever gone to the lengths Sesshy has. their child. This blog has the truth. But when he learns his unwillingness to take her with him is doing more harm than good, he decides to rip off the bandage and let her be. Under I'm an actual Asian person who was born and raised in Asia. So if Sesshomaru wanted...yeah. This burst of light is followed by his subsequent return to his mother's castle in the sky where the others recap the events of the underworld. The difference is when Rin was met with the kindness she received from Sesshomaru (which in all honesty, was just common decency), this fuelled brightness in her heart and her disposition physically. As long as you don't deny that She Sesshomaru meets Rin in episode 35 of the anime/chapter 129 of the manga, following his unsuccessful battle with InuYasha’s wind scar. So when I saw the author deleted the comments of others, I feel it to be in very poor taste and I will reiterate everyone is entitled to their own opinion and view points. Never was. Your so called parents who thought it was a good idea bringing a bastard like you into the worldI'm on your side RichardManjo123, Unknown it you where really smart, when you're done fucking your mom but a gun point it to your fore head and shut yourself.... You're not really needed in this world, Thanks..It's nice to know that there's some people out there who have something up there unlike this fat piece of garbage who doesn't deserve any mentally unstable persons time let alone normal thinking people who don't think wrong thingsNo one ships rin and sess when rin is a child but because of his corrupt and dirty mind he thinks otherwise, I want to say first that… Sesshoumaru x Rin is not PEDOPHILE love. That means that the Earth is flat? for Rin, who is biologically, mentally and physically a pre-pubescent You said what you meant very well and I agree with you whole heartedly. It’s sort of bittersweet. Letting you Be Yourself: The Panther Demon Arc. Nope. Just some guy with a cowbell shouting to an angry crowd—without the typical political media circus. "choice" that they're talking about is the choice that Rin has already Sesshomaru's SEXUAL whims as well? Kagura would have been but she's dead. He satisfies their wish in his weakest moments and unintentionally commits an act of kindness ("a good deed"). Particularly bad, since in They were also two centuries apart! Just like how Toga commissioned Totosai to create Tenseiga out of the love and compassion that Izaiyoi showed him, so too must Sesshomaru learn, practice, and pass on these valuable lessons of empathy and connection. Doesn't that mean In The Final Act Episode 15, he disposes of Tenseiga stating he has no need for it anymore. Read the manga Bakuman if you want to know how the manga Kagura has been around for less than a year (since episode 39). exist in a filial relationship is the physical attraction. At this point, it’s unquestionable that Rin has a special place in his heart. On the other side, Rin isn't obedient... She REVERES Sesshomaru, and not in the little girl way "I'm gonna marry my dad!! Inuyasha When Rin wakes up, the first face she sees is his. manner, however, is Kagura (not counting filler characters like Sara That is all. Not a little 8 year old girls' body. Right, sounds disgusting. The parents come to visit the kids, sometimes take them out places, and A: Kagura. Yes it was a romantic proposal to be his wife. In a sense, if we want to depict someone who is affirmative to This is the first of many choices that Sesshomaru allots Rin in dictating their soon-to-be long-lasting relationship, laying the foundation for their connection as the series progresses. 1) Aren't you a westerner and writing from a western perspective, therefore making your points invalid? affair with a human? Compare how he shuts Rin down when she was screaming over his harvesting Goshinki versus him just chilling out and playing lifeguard while Rin and Jaken goof around fishing in the river. fact that she's still a kid during the bonus chapter, they never said Richard Manjo123, you're one insensitive ableist piece of shit. when you become old enough to know how to use the microwave and your WITH HUMANS. It’s more of a confession. Sesshomaru and Rin did not have a romantic relationship when she was a child. And this could be due to one of three reasons: (1) she forgot about Tenseiga: I find this highly unlikely as it’d be impossible for her to forget about the sword that brought her back to life and it’s on Sesshomaru’s hip as they speak; (2) She does not expect him to revive her when her time comes; (3) She believes that life is to be cherished and not something to be unnaturally prolonged (i.e., when she dies of old age, it would be “wrong” of her to be revived) and would rather be reborn in the next life. It So I think that it's 10 years after Sesshomaru left Rin with Kaede, she has grown up to be a very beautiful young woman. isn't independent of him. Father and daughter makes sense since he is This is most demonstrated in her acceptance of life again and her cheerful disposition. industry works. Anything can happen but still, personally I don't believe it. Sesshomaru's place, Jaken found out that Rin was gonna die before It He's too hot! thing just because she's Japanese. The only thing that exists in a romantic relationship that does not Clearly, Rin would be older, of the right age before her and Sesshoumaru became lovers and if you’re not stupid you can also see, he’s a DEMON. ✌. Then sesshomaru may see Rin and how she grew up to be very beautiful. How DOES she feel about it? Miroku's got Koharu, Shima, Sango and hoardes of village girls Comparison of Rin and Towa's social tendencies. It's a sexist pairing in a sense because of that. assigned to the babysitter role by Sesshomaru) she starts talking more The second point I want to highlight here is Sesshomaru’s reaction to Rin’s fall and her risky expedition. evidence that he's being paternal. Sesshomaru and Rin are the embodiment of a classic story where a human who travels with a demon teaches him to slowly let go of his prejudices against her race. Rin is all grown up and Sesshoumaru begins to see her in a totally new light. his daughter figure after Rin becomes an adult. Some people see a possible love interest in terms of mates, others see a father daughter relationship, and yet others see only friendship. If Sesshomaru is romantically interested in Rin, then it does mean that "Episode 3 came out. return to Sesshomaru or not, or something like that. sort of mention of the decision during the bonus manga chapter in order You really think romantic love is the strongest, huh? There are plenty of excellent analyses of this episode, a major milestone of Sesshomaru and Rin’s character development, as well as their dynamic. Because it's not a romantic thing in As Naraku remarks on his hostage to Sesshomaru, "Naturally, the girl you're looking for is not here…,” he continues, “the girl is in custody outside of the castle..." Naraku never makes an attempt to give her personhood, leaving her unnamed, disposable, and relegating her to a mere "girl." the experience of taking care of Rin did to Sesshomaru. As a Rin/Sess shipper, I will say only these two things:1. They had a bond of mutual trust, respect and companionship. Koharu), had proposed to a child (manga chapter 147, page 8). Inuyasha leaves Kagome and the others to find the shard, while he looks for Naraku's castle by himself. I'm not saying Sesshy as of the end of the anime/manga has romantic feelings for Rin, but his attitude isn't fatherly either. Plus As a matter of If a 19 year old woman proposed to a 12 year old boy she met when he was a toddler? Kohaku Sesshomaru left rin in the village #1 for her safety #2 for her to learn about humans and understand in a deeper way so she can be independant and make well thought out decisions and #3 he visits her frequently and obviously cares for her awaiting for her to grow so when she is older I'M sure she would want to make a decision when she learns of her true feelings for him. is one of the reasons that some people dislike Sesshomaru/Rin-the platonic display of affection as well. No, Kagome and her mother cook for him the child while the father works late, and it's very much considered to InuYasha's understanding of Kagome's duties and responsibilities in the modern era at the end of The Final Act speaks volumes. Sure, I bet you've never seen a father going to that extent for their child irl because you've never seen a father going through the chance of losing their kids but guess what? jealousy-in Ranma 1/2, which is another manga that was written by an affinity for demons". This might be arguably one of the first times Jaken had ‘enjoyed himself’ leisurely in front of Sesshomaru. there if she had meant for Rin to be Sesshomaru's love And MirSan also embodies aspects of Sesshomaru and Rin’s dynamic: proving that a friendship can evolve into something beautiful over time and with the development of trust and communication. In The Final Act episode 9, during Rin’s second death, he retrospectively reflects on moments like these where he debates if it is better to leave her with her own kind. She’s hopeful, but not happy. This > thus he got his father's genes for loving a human.The way you describe it sounds like a fetish. She’s still a kid, but she has already seen the horrors that the world has to offer. When Rin was injured by the villagers near where she lived, Sesshōmaru expressed curiosity regarding her wounds, sparking a smile from the young girl. In my universe. And to some degree, she likely resonates with that. away at work, which Sesshomaru most definitely is. Q: But isn't Sesshomaru "not mature enough" to be a father figure? He has power over her. Sesshoumaru being compared for hos father its not becoz he falls in loved with rin.its like he seems to gotten be more soft on how human does differ in demons etc..I also think that the first person who got his interest on humans is KAGOME she is the 1st human who maked him annoyed in every times.he uses to accept a little for hos brother inuyasha becoz of him countless time encounter together with kagome,he got to know more of his brother and learn things on how to deal with their differwnt sword...sesshoumaru's persfectived changed a lot becoz of kagome and being with rin...so i honestly believed that seshoumaru is more romantically involde to KAGURA than rin...in fact at the new sequel,,i believed that sesshounaru's twins isnt rin daughter,,i got a conclusion that SESSHOUMARU FOUND A REINCARNATED HUMAN KAGURA AND MATE HER...During those times when all is at peace...not bad isnt? via Tumblr. 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